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Music of The Gothsicles with Bella Morte and Amdeide at Trocadero's 8PM/9PM $12/18+[/url]

Official Show and Lineup - NOH.


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neat! i'll be there.
[ps. the poster link doesn't work]


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[ps. the poster link doesn't work]

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Wait, so Thosquanta was kicked out of the lineup. Now I'm really confused.


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Wait, so Thosquanta was kicked out of the lineup. Now I'm really confused.


Me too, I thought the whole problem was with bella... :-?

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that was my impression...

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http://www.myspace.com/pallidbat

Well, there's his MySpace profile. (Flyer is there.) He's been on today. What's the reasoning Jason? I think everyone here is a little confused to say the least.

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Who's got some popcorn?


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heh

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Well, jumping to conclusions/jumping all over individuals never got us anywhere before. I'm sure there's a perfectly reasonable explanation for all this.


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The same way this can be explained I'm sure: http://goth.meetup.com/810/messages/boa ... 0#22033590

What kinda upsets me, is that besides the original line-up for this bill, I had posted 2 other events (yes, one including Thos.) and guess what...they're gone!

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[301STUDIOS] wrote:
What kinda upsets me, is that besides the original line-up for this bill, I had posted 2 other events (yes, one including Thos.) and guess what...they're gone!

- J


Only moderators can delete event posts. The original of this with thosquanta was renamed due to the lineup change.
http://www.darktwincities.com/forum/vie ... php?t=5844

Please let me know what others you posted and I'll see what happened to them.


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[301STUDIOS] wrote:
What kinda upsets me, is that besides the original line-up for this bill, I had posted 2 other events (yes, one including Thos.) and guess what...they're gone!

- J


Only moderators can delete event posts. The original of this with thosquanta was renamed due to the lineup change.
http://www.darktwincities.com/forum/vie ... php?t=5844

Please let me know what others you posted and I'll see what happened to them.


Thanks skywayman, but yeah, I'm talking about the Goth Meetup site where Jason is a mod.

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neat! i'll be there.
[ps. the poster link doesn't work]


Cool. Yeah, I'll repost.


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Bella Morte's contract to headline a show was rejected. The written terms differed from the oral agreement. The show was going to be a cancellation announcement. The bill had been scrapped. BM emailed offering to play as a supporting band (at a reduced price) The Gothsicles took 2 days but finally accepted. We chose to fill out the new bill with Amdeide at the advice of our associate Charles from Stellar Vector. I'll certainly update any mention of the previous bill.


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Noh wrote:
We chose to fill out the new bill with Amdeide at the advice of our associate Charles from Stellar Vector.


I'm making popcorn...

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drok wrote:
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We chose to fill out the new bill with Amdeide at the advice of our associate Charles from Stellar Vector.


I'm making popcorn...


Thanks Charles! Now, Jason, I hope you learn a valuable lesson from this. Thos, what'd I tell you? ;)

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[301STUDIOS] wrote:
drok wrote:
Noh wrote:
We chose to fill out the new bill with Amdeide at the advice of our associate Charles from Stellar Vector.


I'm making popcorn...


Thanks Charles! Now, Jason, I hope you learn a valuable lesson from this. Thos, what'd I tell you? ;)


That you are a bunch of drama queens? :D Noh don't play that. We stand by our friends.

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Drama queen? Re-evaluate the situation and get back to me.

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[301STUDIOS] wrote:
Drama queen? Re-evaluate the situation and get back to me.


There is no situation.


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i don't think im any less confused.

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Noh wrote:
Bella Morte's contract to headline a show was rejected. The written terms differed from the oral agreement. The show was going to be a cancellation announcement. The bill had been scrapped. BM emailed offering to play as a supporting band (at a reduced price) The Gothsicles took 2 days but finally accepted. We chose to fill out the new bill with Amdeide at the advice of our associate Charles from Stellar Vector. I'll certainly update any mention of the previous bill.

Okay. That all makes sense. Except it doesn't mention anything about what happened to Thosquanta's planned appearance.

(And those aren't tears; I just got salt in my eye from all the popcorn flying around)


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Bella Morte's contract to headline a show was rejected. The written terms differed from the oral agreement. The show was going to be a cancellation announcement. The bill had been scrapped. BM emailed offering to play as a supporting band (at a reduced price) The Gothsicles took 2 days but finally accepted. We chose to fill out the new bill with Amdeide at the advice of our associate Charles from Stellar Vector. I'll certainly update any mention of the previous bill.

Okay. That all makes sense. Except it doesn't mention anything about what happened to Thosquanta's planned appearance.

(And those aren't tears; I just got salt in my eye from all the popcorn flying around)


We chose Amdeide for the new bill. We felt they were a better draw and more in line with our philosophy.

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It's an absolutely confirmed show for you guys and Bella Morte. I have 2 deals with this agent. If you have other bands you think would fit, let me know. I figure just have you 3 if TG confirms.



WOW.


just wow.

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It's an absolutely confirmed show for you guys and Bella Morte. I have 2 deals with this agent. If you have other bands you think would fit, let me know. I figure just have you 3 if TG confirms.



WOW.


just wow.


Written terms were sent which differed from the oral agreement. We were at our liberty to reject the offer. That billing was cancelled.

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yikes. seriously...."absolutely confirmed" being conditional on "the advice of our associate" is NOT a real good business strategy for music promotion...

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I have a hard time believing Amdeide would agree to play the show knowing how Thosquanta was shafted by this whole deal. I mean, it was Thosquanta that brought the Gothsicles into the mix. I dig Amdeide and I would never presume to speak for him but this seems like a pretty shady deal. I won't make judgments on any of the parties involved but this just seems like...well, "an awkward situation" doesn't even begin to do it justice.


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yikes. seriously...."absolutely confirmed" being conditional on "the advice of our associate" is NOT a real good business strategy for music promotion...


Nope. 2 separate shows. BM's agent offered terms differing from the oral agreement.


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WOW.

ok, now i need popcorn.

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I have a hard time believing Amdeide would agree to play the show knowing how Thosquanta was shafted by this whole deal. I mean, it was Thosquanta that brought the Gothsicles into the mix. I dig Amdeide and I would never presume to speak for him but this seems like a pretty shady deal. I won't make judgments on any of the parties involved but this just seems like...well, "an awkward situation" doesn't even begin to do it justice.


The original show was cancelled. The Gothsicles agreed to a new show with them as headliner. I know The Gothsicles and asked them personally. I'm not sure they know who Thosquanta is. Never asked. Subsequent billing proceeded from there.


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ok, ok, maybe hes right. this is a TOTALLY different show. with 2 of the same bands. at the same venue. the same night.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT!

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no offense to anyone, but 4 bands is way too much anyways for a night.. in my opinion...


ill finally be seeing bella morte, woo!


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ok, ok, maybe hes right. this is a TOTALLY different show. with 2 of the same bands. at the same venue. the same night.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT!


Contractually they are 100% different. Sorry.


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no offense to anyone, but 4 bands is way too much anyways for a night.. in my opinion...


ill finally be seeing bella morte, woo!


Cool. :wink:


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ok, ok, maybe hes right. this is a TOTALLY different show. with 2 of the same bands. at the same venue. the same night.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT!


Contractually they are 100% different. Sorry.


venue, 2 of 3 bands the same, night the same...thats 100%?

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thosquanta wrote:
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ok, ok, maybe hes right. this is a TOTALLY different show. with 2 of the same bands. at the same venue. the same night.

TOTALLY DIFFERENT!


Contractually they are 100% different. Sorry.


venue, 2 of 3 bands the same, night the same...thats 100%?


Contractually, yes in this instance.


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i guess so.

i checked my calculator, 4 divided by 5 is 0, so i was wrong.

my bad!

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i guess so.

i checked my calculator, 4 divided by 5 is 0, so i was wrong.

my bad!


No problem.


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"contractually" my rosy red Irish ass. That doesn't make it right. You asked Thosquanta to play at a venue, on a date. You're backpedaling, and not explaining why.

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Okay, well hey Noh - I don't Noh you (sorry for the pun), but from an outsider's standpoint (outsider as opposed to Darksider...aheh) this just...looks...bad. It looks like you booked a band, gave them a confirmation and then pulled the rug out from under them for dubious reasons. I have no vested interest in any of the parties involved. I've never really cared for all the titty-fucking, to be quite honest. But seriously, Thosquanta have a number of local fans who would be interested in attending this show and now attitudes are going to flare and boycots will be declared and it isn't going to be good for anybody. Now, I like Amdeide and I like Thosquanta - I guess the whole "one was better suited for the show over the other" argument just doesn't wash with me and probably won't wash with a number of others. I'm looking for a little more diplomacy and less sidestepping is all.


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Okay, well hey Noh - I don't Noh you (sorry for the pun), but from an outsider's standpoint (outsider as opposed to Darksider...aheh) this just...looks...bad. It looks like you booked a band, gave them a confirmation and then pulled the rug out from under them for dubious reasons. I have no vested interest in any of the parties involved. I've never really cared for all the titty-fucking, to be quite honest. But seriously, Thosquanta have a number of local fans who would be interested in attending this show and now attitudes are going to flare and boycots will be declared and it isn't going to be good for anybody. Now, I like Amdeide and I like Thosquanta - I guess the whole "one was better suited for the show over the other" argument just doesn't wash with me and probably won't wash with a number of others. I'm looking for a little more diplomacy and less sidestepping is all.


Bam. Now, off to have dinner with the family.

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I like Thosquanta


i'm totally making fun of you for this.

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I know The Gothsicles and asked them personally. I'm not sure they know who Thosquanta is.


holy sweet jesus how did i miss this.

BRILLIANT!

comedy gold, people!

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Is this Noh / Jason fellow the other guy in Apraxia, by any chance?


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Okay, well hey Noh - I don't Noh you (sorry for the pun), but from an outsider's standpoint (outsider as opposed to Darksider...aheh) this just...looks...bad. It looks like you booked a band, gave them a confirmation and then pulled the rug out from under them for dubious reasons. I have no vested interest in any of the parties involved. I've never really cared for all the titty-fucking, to be quite honest. But seriously, Thosquanta have a number of local fans who would be interested in attending this show and now attitudes are going to flare and boycots will be declared and it isn't going to be good for anybody. Now, I like Amdeide and I like Thosquanta - I guess the whole "one was better suited for the show over the other" argument just doesn't wash with me and probably won't wash with a number of others. I'm looking for a little more diplomacy and less sidestepping is all.


Rejection of a written contract would hardly constitute "dubious reasons". Beyond that, I did what I thought was best after consulting with my team. I have no interest in "attitudes" and "boycotts". Drama queens are non-preferable to us.

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I know The Gothsicles and asked them personally. I'm not sure they know who Thosquanta is.


holy sweet jesus how did i miss this.

BRILLIANT!

comedy gold, people!


Excuse me? They have never mentioned you, sorry. Your delusions of grandeur are amusing.


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Is this Noh / Jason fellow the other guy in Apraxia, by any chance?


NOH :D


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Is this Noh / Jason fellow the other guy in Apraxia, by any chance?


i'm starting to wonder...

fun link:

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I know The Gothsicles and asked them personally. I'm not sure they know who Thosquanta is.


holy sweet jesus how did i miss this.

BRILLIANT!

comedy gold, people!


Excuse me? They have never mentioned you, sorry. Your delusions of grandeur are amusing.


TOSA EAST REPRASENT MOTHAFUCKA! OW!

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i'm starting to wonder...

fun link:

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They never mentioned you to me.


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they must have chatted endlessly about amdeide, then. (no offense to amdeide - those kids are fun)

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they must have chatted endlessly about amdeide, then. (no offense to amdeide - those kids are fun)


They never mentioned them either actually.


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its like reading to a brick, really.

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So, we have:

1. Show "confirmed" with Bella Morte headlining, with Gothsicles and Thosquanta.
2. Something about the verbal contract isn't okay anymore, show won't happen the way it was originally set.
3. Upon re-negotiation, now Gothsicles are headlining with Bella Morte.
4. ????
5. Outside sources are consulted, and Amdeide is selected as the new opener.

Someone fill in step 4, which must be Adam anally raping Brian, because I'm not seeing how one would just randomly decide, "oh hey, the original opening band we had booked... we're gonna go talk to someone else and take their advice to select a new opening band."

I really think that's all anyone wants spelled out at this point.


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So, we have:

1. Show "confirmed" with Bella Morte headlining, with Gothsicles and Thosquanta.
2. Something about the verbal contract isn't okay anymore, show won't happen the way it was originally set.
3. Upon re-negotiation, now Gothsicles are headlining with Bella Morte.
4. ????
5. Outside sources are consulted, and Amdeide is selected as the new opener.

Someone fill in step 4, which must be Adam anally raping Brian, because I'm not seeing how one would just randomly decide, "oh hey, the original opening band we had booked... we're gonna go talk to someone else and take their advice to select a new opening band."

I really think that's all anyone wants spelled out at this point.


The original contract was null and void. The billings were done separately. I am not familiar with the electro genre here. Charles is not an outside source. He's part of our team. I frankly don't know what the interrelationships are here beyond that.


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Ok, look, we're not idiots, so please... stop the double-speak.

While the original contract is null and void, that doesn't mean it didn't once exist, even if just as a verbal agreement.

At some point, someone had to say, LET'S NOT USE THOSQUANTA AS WE HAD ORIGINALLY BOOKED, AND INSTEAD BOOK AMDEIDE. The Thosquanta booking did not get magically erased from the annals of time. So upon re-booking of this gig, what prompted the idea of even making a switch?

And no, you do not have to answer that question, although it's damning to let it speak for itself. Just realize that this is not a professional way to handle this situation, and learn from it the next time something like this comes across your desk.


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Okay, then Charles can go ahead and answer why Thosquanta was booted in favor of Amdeide. I know Charles. He's not a bullshitter or sidestepper. He'll be willing to address exactly what Thosquanta did to deserve being trampled over in favor of the other band.

Charles?


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You're apparently also not familiar with things like common courtesy and respect. Did you bother apologizing? Did you bother offering an explanation? If you're even remotely serious about about booking shows, a few manners will get you a long way.

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Ok, look, we're not idiots, so please... stop the double-speak.

While the original contract is null and void, that doesn't mean it didn't once exist, even if just as a verbal agreement.

At some point, someone had to say, LET'S NOT USE THOSQUANTA AS WE HAD ORIGINALLY BOOKED, AND INSTEAD BOOK AMDEIDE. The Thosquanta booking did not get magically erased from the annals of time. So upon re-booking of this gig, what prompted the idea of even making a switch?

And no, you do not have to answer that question, although it's damning to let it speak for itself. Just realize that this is not a professional way to handle this situation, and learn from it the next time something like this comes across your desk.


The second billing was done after consulting with a band I had previously worked with. You don't seem to understand. The first show was dead. I was about to announce a cancellation. I definitely will avoid booking in this genre again. It has been an incredibly stressful few days dealing with agents desperate for a show here.

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gloomchen wrote:
Ok, look, we're not idiots, so please... stop the double-speak.

While the original contract is null and void, that doesn't mean it didn't once exist, even if just as a verbal agreement.

At some point, someone had to say, LET'S NOT USE THOSQUANTA AS WE HAD ORIGINALLY BOOKED, AND INSTEAD BOOK AMDEIDE. The Thosquanta booking did not get magically erased from the annals of time. So upon re-booking of this gig, what prompted the idea of even making a switch?

And no, you do not have to answer that question, although it's damning to let it speak for itself. Just realize that this is not a professional way to handle this situation, and learn from it the next time something like this comes across your desk.


Thank you whomever you are. Well said.

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